Hey. Hey. How you doing? >> Hello. Hello. Hello. >> Just as a warning, you're the host now. So, if you leave, you're going to kill it. >> I'm sorry. I I I can't hear you just yet. Let me go in the room. >> Okay. Oh [ __ ] Sorry. Okay. Are we all here? >> Can you hear me? Sorry. Hi. >> Hi. Can you hear me? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. My first one of these

I'm excited. Um we at people what do we want to do? >> People will be trickling in. But let's once we have the who's speaking today. Let's see. >> Me. >> You're speaking. Okay. We can add people but they're coming. Okay. Yeah, you can do it. All right. Uh, look, I'm not going to take up the whole hour because I don't have a whole hours of stuff, but um I figure, uh, you know, I I should contribute to the effort and I finally have something that is kind of AI and actiony, right? So, I I I think I think I should just try. Okay. I that's how you put your title and I'm I I'm here for it. I want to see it. >> I mean I I'm impressed, right? You know,

so I I think that um I should share. Uh I just learned that uh cognition is buying core for everybody. Um so like yeah, this thing is like really driving sales and people are like really getting in on it. I'm surprised that there's no open source code work because usually when there's like a successful project like the next morning there's like five different open source versions of it but I don't think anyone's actually tried like properly tried to do open source codework which they should yeah I think most of the open source folks are focused on the coding agent side of it um and then yeah using agents like openclaw or pi but they're they're kind of different. Open Claw is like the biggest like the thing Co-work is trying to do well is like they're actually trying to make sandboxing work but still be accessible to individuals who are not technical. OpenClaw doesn't even try. It's just like ah your security is your problem. >> Yeah. I don't even think

um I don't even think it is like a openclaw. I I don't know. I mean maybe you guys are like OpenClaw power users or whatever. And I know OpenClaw has like this browser thing. What's what's the browser thing called? Um, is it browser use or browser? >> I don't know what it's got. I'm I'm not an openclaw user. >> Um, no. Like, so this machine I'm on >> gateway. >> It's called gateway. >> Yeah. Or as far as that may not be the browser use portion, but they have a userfacing browser use called gate or userfacing called gateway. And then I think they have some uh additional browser stuff. >> Yeah. Yeah. OpenCloud just has its own browser that will pop up and then you can log in on things and then it'll continue to use it. >> Yeah, but like you know I don't want to log into anything. I just want it to be me, right? Um and so to me that's like the most uh Yeah, I build version. Okay, I I I can go ahead and get started. Obviously, this will be recorded. So maybe I'll I'll kick this off with like

um um for the past uh month or so, every single one of these like AI in actions and whatever has been done by OpenClaw so done by cowork um and they're all like kind of auto like automated and uh we have like Gemini um uh thumbnails. Uh it looks like I haven't I haven't released some of these thumbnails. I don't know why I don't think these are these are all the I don't I don't think these are all the thumbnails that that were done. Um but basically like uh so so what happens when one of these AI and action sessions ends. Okay. I go into Zoom. I did this every day, every week for like uh two years basically, right? Um, so right now it's recording. At the end it's going to it's going to be like a thing, right? So then you have to go into one of these things. Uh, and then you have to like click in here and you

have to go cloud recordings and you have to like go go here and then you have to choose the right one which is the shared screen gallery view and then download. And then you have to click here. You have to click here. You have to click here. You have to upload here. Um, and then you have to upload. And then you have to like name the thing. you have to like uh do timestamps, you have to do names, you have to do thumbnail thumbnails. So So it's basically I just want to tell you like it's actually a lot of work. Uh but it's mostly clicking around in a browser and it's like kind of dumb. Like I I I can do it while like I'm on a Zoom call or whatever. Like it's it's brainless, right? Like it's it's just clicking. But like anything brainless I think that has a lot of like automation uh or like automatability, I think co-work is it. Um and uh I'm not even sure OpenClaw can do it. Obviously, it's the same model, but I do think like the the planning capabilities are are really good. Um, so here's how it looks like. Oh, wait. There's a there's a chat. Uh, any reason you didn't white YT API? Um, uh, I just haven't figured it out yet. Uh, plus um I think that

uh there are I also just wanted to like put my most challenging task on open call on on co-work. So, so this was more of me like trying out cow work. Um I think in the my my like big hi moment was like okay so uh this call in specifically uh because it's automated and because like it's on my account it's on my Zoom account and it doesn't end. Some people just leave it on in the background like some of you some of the the 19 people that are on here right now are muted and it just kind of like it's just playing in the background whatever and then they don't they don't log out. So actually sometimes it goes like two hours. Um I don't think I have an example here. Let's just call it this one, right? Uh so then I asked Co-work to cut out the silences. So uh and it and it it would just like cut and just do this uh inside of the the YouTube thing. So this is involving click and drag and visual perception of like silences. Let's just imagine then you save it and then it it uh ends nicer. Uh and >> wait sorry. It actually uses the browser

in here to to clip. Oh wow. Okay. So like yeah, you could use YouTube API, but like it's just like I just want to see like how how good is co-work, right? Um and so so that that was that was it. Anyway, so um I've been documenting it inside of the Discord. Uh sorry for all the unres Okay, here we go. Okay. So, so here here here's my um here here's the the the the day I realized I was like, "Okay, this thing is AGI." Um so, um blah blah blah. Um yeah, here it is. Here's here's here it is. trimming the silences. So, here's an

example of like after one of these recordings is done, you fully just upload the video and then there's silences there, right, that needs to be cut because some people uh just leave it on in the background. Um, so then you have to like click and drag, click and drag and like it it wasn't perfect, but it was good. It was pretty good. I was like I didn't even think uh agents were like capable of this kind of stuff where like it's like full browser manipulation. So, I think that's like super interesting. And then the other thing I think like that's that's kind of cool is uh it has really nice integrations with like Claude and Chrome where it like just takes over your browser. Like I'm still using the same machine. I don't need to buy a separate Mac Mini. Uh I'm using the same machine. I'm still using Chrome. Uh this thing's just going on in the background without me looking at it. But I'm continuing to use um my browser per normal while this thing's working, right? And then I I just check in every now and then. So, I think I think that's like really interesting. Um, uh, and here here's some like screenshots of like how the upload is going after after you prompt

everything. Uh, then you can get to do things like, hey, remember this as a skill. Um, so and then I'm just like I'm just telling it to write skills for itself and save it so that the second time around you just tell it to invoke the skill that was just done. Right? So to me, this is the dream of automation or automating anything. like first time you do it, you have a high amount of human supervision. Um, then you're like, okay, like I'm not going to get all that in my initial prompt, right? This is my initial initial prompt or whatever. I'm not going to all I don't get all those details. I'm only I'm going to come up with stuff once I see you run through everything and then I give you feedback and then I need you to update your prompts, right? Or or write your own skills. And that's like memory, right? That's like uh, you know, a very slow form of Java. Um, and uh I I think like that's that's like super interesting as well. Um, so I I'll just show you like where we ended up. Um, where's the thing? So this is just like a super long running thread for me now. Um, where like it generates

thumbnails for me, it downloads from Zoom and it generates its own skills um to speed itself up in the future. Um, so for whoever asked me about the the YouTube API, I just started doing it. Um, because I'm like, "Yeah, this is uh slow as shit." Uh, because I I sometimes I have to do like five of these at once if I haven't been like active recently. And also like uh co-work just launched scheduled co-work. So honestly, I can just run this every week now, right? I can just say like at like 3 p.m. on every Friday afternoon, just run this uh and it it'll just upload AI in action for me, which is fantastic. Um but yeah, it's uh Oh my god, it looks like there's a nasty compression in here that um cannot load the previous ones. Oh yeah, maybe maybe this one was the original one. Uh upload people files to YouTube. So yeah, here here this is me like initially starting to explore it and just saying like I I manually downloaded to Zoom. Can you upload to YouTube? Um, and then I I ask it to like

and then I ask it to like um title it with no other info. This is all the info it has. This is like uh just the MP4 file of the Zoom recording. It doesn't have the title of the thing. It doesn't know what papers we're working on. Doesn't know know who's speaking. And it figured out which one is a paper club, which one's an AI in action. uh figures out the titles um because it can actually transcribe uh or uh selectively look at screenshots. So so it basically um extracts frames and then uses vision to look at the frames and probably the paper that we're covering or the topic if someone has a presentation is in one of these frames. I'm very curious what Cloud Co is going to analyze this recording as because I don't know if it can recognize itself. Um, but uh yeah, I mean like this this is insane. Uh because then it just titles the the things and then I'm like okay I mean you have titles um and then you can you can upload files and all that and I'm like

you you're kind of there. So what about if we do um yeah I don't think I don't think I can find the old one for you. Does anyone know what to do when there's been a compression and like uh yeah, someone cut the context. Um uh wait. Okay, there there's a lot of questions. Let let me let me go back on the questions. Okay, so uh wait, Flo, are you first? Uh how is it doing stuff in the browser in the background of the browser without taking over your window? Yeah. Yeah. So, uh I don't the short answer is I don't know, but it's something something to do with this thing. And then it's using some kind of debug mode, uh API inside of Chrome. That was pretty obscure. But Chrome has in sandboxes for tabs. So, anything inside of here, Cloud can control. Anything outside of here, I can touch without that being affected.

So, I can just kind of toggle back and forth and check in on it. I also really like that sometimes it gets stuck on like uh let's say it wants like a upload thing, right? Like it wants to upload this. Sometimes it gets stuck here, then you can just get it just like look at you, you know, it'll tell you it's stuck and then it just like you have to help it because it doesn't have permissions to like click this something like that. Um, so yeah, that that part is still annoying, but the cloud in Chrome connection and core combo is what I think OpenCloud doesn't have, which is why I don't give OpenCloud credit for full full like capability matching of this thing. Um, I I don't know what API it uses. It's probably some like Okay. Oh, by the way, um, I also use Raycast a lot and I highly recommend it. Like how does work control Chrome? Um and then I think everyone should have should not use the chatbt app should not use um like an in browser chatbt Gemini cloud. You should always have like a a a spacebar thing

that is like a throwaway chat thing because it really reduces the activation energy. Um so yeah this is exactly right. Um so like uh so then then my question is like well you know what what what Chrome API is this that that it worked in the background. Um so I think it should be pretty well known by now like somebody's going to have written this up. Um that I don't really I mean I don't really care what Yeah. Chrome DevTools protocol. I think this might be new. Um yeah, I think I think this might be new. I I remember the Chrome team shipping something like this. Uh we have someone from the Chrome team speaking at uh the London AI engineer that is coming in uh four five weeks that uh that is on this team. So we'll hear more from that guy. Um but yeah, it runs as a background service worker and it it uh controls everything in the background. Whatever this is, it works. It doesn't matter.

Just try it. Um yeah. Okay. What other questions do people have? Okay. Uh just in time multi-shot skill. Can you ask me to build a tool to use YT API? Yes. Uh Steve, that's exactly what I did as you see at the end there. Um where I do uh all the way at the end here. Uh that that's what I started it doing. I haven't reviewed it yet because I got distracted. Zach says no transcript passing somehow. Yeah. Yeah. No pass. No trans. I mean like if you have a whisper CLI, I can just use the whisper CLI. It's fine. Uh I don't uh I haven't done it. So, I haven't needed it to be super honest. I could, right? I could just ask it to to run tools. But like the whole point is that I think the the power of cowork uh is is a couple things like one it has that cloud in Chrome thing which is full browser automation on your accounts um uh with like a decent uh ability to pause whenever it's like kind of sus like you can just tell it like don't do any destructive actions like ask me first. You can do that. Um

um but otherwise it's like mostly mostly fully autonomous. Uh and then the other thing is like uh this progress thing I really like. So it's like a to-do list basically. It's like a mini plan mode, whatever you call it. Um I I I tend to think like plan modes are overrated anyway. But um being able to say like, "Oh, okay. This this to-do list is what I meant, but hear me. Here's here's how I uh here's what here's how I would change it based on what you said." Uh I think that's that's pretty helpful as well. Um yeah and and like you know what it can also write code. So this is like to me kind of a clean supererset of clawed code itself. I I just never use the code side because I if I want to write code I just use it in code because um it can also just look up it can write code plus it can also just look up um docs or whatever that I need and I I do use a lot of like docs, right? So that's cool. Um, Kevin Limb says, "Can it go fetch the Zoom transcript?" That's a smart idea. Okay. Um, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Hey, hey, can you update your skill to uh when you your Zoom skill to also download the Zoom transcript and use that to add to your prompt for titling titling and descriptions for YouTube as well as inform the thumbnail. Sorry. Um, yeah. So, like any anyway, I I think I think I just want to like show you that like, you know, I I don't work for Anthropic whatever. Um, I think this is uh this is ready for use and I'm not even like an early adopter type of person. Um, I think I think you know um Oh, there's a to-do list happening right now. Um, I really really like when I have some ambiguity in the question. And this one I don't think I left any ambiguity immediately. Sometimes if you're ambiguous like it'll it'll ask

you a follow-up in like a little nice multiple choice thing. That's super nice. That's that's like a nice little trick that I think more people should adopt which is like resolve ambiguities by giving people limited amount of options or free free right like free range right. Um some things I don't like is for example uh it's reading the skill right now but it doesn't show me the [ __ ] skill. Um I can't open the skill. It's like it just doesn't work. Um, and I have to go like go navigate to this thing to go find it, but like clicking on this just doesn't work. I know the file is there, like it's just kind of broken. And I, you know, I'm sure they'll fix it some at some point, but like it's just like a little bit sloppy, you know. Um, I do like also that they just show you the progress in in in the browser. Um, so you can kind of see like how they're doing it. This is it signing up for the YouTube API, by the way. Um, so I was like, I don't I don't want to [ __ ] with this Google Cloud like dashboard nonsense. Just just give me the goddamn API, right? So, it's just like doing it for me. And which is great. I don't have to read docs ever again, right? I got the API. I got everything. Uh, got the key and then now

it's like doing the the the the transcript stuff. That's great. Um, I don't even know. I don't think I have transcripts. I have chat file. I don't have transcripts. And something I probably have to turn on for Zoom. So, the poor guy is just uh Okay, I just realized I don't auto transcribe. Can you go in Zoom settings and turn that on? Um, so yeah, I mean like really like I I think this is AGI and you know I'm not one to like it's like the last three months has been me slowly becoming a GI pled when I think one of the founding thesis founding promises of um latent space was that we don't talk about AJI timelines we like other people who are very attractive Indian podcasters will keep asking when's your AGI timeline and everyone says two years two years two years Um I think we have to start hi timeline build um again. Uh cool. Uh Kevin says you got

nontechnical people to use co-work. What has convinced no reason to jump in? I don't know man. Like people always have [ __ ] to do like mess with like their Zoom dashboards settings and all that that like no one wants to do. So, if you can just tell a co-orker to do it for you, like even that like saving five 15 minutes of like messing around in settings and being frustrated, you just no longer have to think about just pay $200 a month. It's actually not that big a deal for anyone with like any any amount of white collar white collar work. Um, so yeah, here's here's the the zoom thing. So, I [ __ ] hate the zoom settings bar. It's it's going it's doing what what's it doing in the zoom settings bar? Yeah, it's it's finding a place in Zoom settings. I really don't care. Like I I one of the the most atrocious settings pages in the world is Zoom. Um yeah, there you go. See, let's watch it do this job. Uh one thing that's sloppy about co-work is that um they do open multiple instances. You see things at the top here. There's one one

cloud co-work instance, second one, third one. Um and I have like a ton of browsers open, right? So, it's just it just keeps opening every time you have a new session. And so, that one could be cleaned up a bit. Just like, you know, use one. Um, but you know, uh, yeah, here here it is. Like, you know, it's going to click the audio transcript thing. It hasn't done it yet. Um, I hope so. Oh, now it's now it's asking me for permission. Yes, obviously. Yes. Why did you ask me for permission? you clanker. Um, I think abusing like strategic abuse of AI uh can be fun. Um, I I not I make sure not to be ever too rude uh just in case, but I think I think having I think like throwing some abuse is fine. It probably makes it work harder. One one of the questions Kball asked is when you say don't do any destructive actions does that mean it blocks uh HTT posts or

does it mean the LLM uses judgment? >> Yeah, judgment. >> So what you're saying is you're asking for it to be smart and praying that it actually stays smart. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Like look I I know >> Claude is Opus is usually pretty good about it. Gemini will be like, "I'm doing what you tell me and delete your database." But um Opus, I have yet to have Opus do something quite that destructively stupid. >> Yeah, look at this thing. So, it it clicked uh where the [ __ ] is this thing? Uh >> Opus is the first one I trust not to be an idiot. >> So, it click it clicked the transcript thing and now all these things will be transcribed, right? And so, then we can use it in our in our Zoom chat. So, whoever made that suggestion, good job. um you know live we're building this live as we go but like um I think this is like some form of AGI right like where you can really delegate you can really trust you can you can observe you can you can tell it to improve its skill

um you can but also I think importantly what a lot of other agents miss is um you need to like the first few times you run it it's going to get [ __ ] wrong and you need to be able to like take over and you need to teach you need to correct yourself because your original prompt was wrong and you need to be able to store it in a skill and then re re um recall that skill so that you don't [ __ ] repeat yourself every single time. And so I think like this is just well done. Like we we took three years to get here, but we got here and like from now on it's going to be cheaper. It's going to be faster. But but the capability is here. Um and so for $200 a month, you can have this for anything, any any [ __ ] like any any form filling, you know. Um, you know, maybe the maybe true AGI is like it does your taxes, right? But, um, but navigating Zoom, navigating YouTube, um, anything that's like normal knowledge work that's like you could kind of turn your brain off and do it. Yeah. Done.

Scott also asked uh how often you have to use MCP to connect it to other apps. I think is is like a two-part question. >> Um I only set up Figma. Um which like oh my god I mean so uh I I don't use co-work with Figma but I use Devon with Figma. It's the same thing. It's all MCP, right? Uh and like this thing is like yeah another this is like a different AGI moment here. Um, uh, here here is here is the, uh, here's here's me setting up Figma MCP for my my designer. Um, and then he the guy just goes [ __ ] ham. Um, because he no longer needs to wait for a developer. he can just mess with MCP uh mess with Figma and then um and then and then and it just it just brings the Figma design in line with actual code deployed on Versell, right? And then and then I just go to bed like this is me at 12:00 a.m. I go to bed. This guy's outsourced in

Indonesia. He's just working overnight and then I wake up at merge. That's 9:00 a.m. So over nine hours he's just like this designer uh coding agent uh thing created uh this site and it's it's like so productive and I'm getting more out of him. You know what I mean? Like it's not just do existing things faster. It's also because he has the the [ __ ] is no longer um no longer the the blocking factor. He can now work on things like animations and polish and things like that. He's just he's just going. I don't even know what what the [ __ ] he's doing. But like he's saying animations. We've never done this [ __ ] Like flow knows flow see all all the previous iterations. Uh we've never had like you look at the AIE website right now. It's never been this nice. Uh and that's just because while we didn't have developer resources because I refuse to invest in developer resources because I don't think that's what is what matters for a conference, right? I I want the the inerson experience and the video production to be good, but our website could I could care less. Um, but now it doesn't like

it cost nothing to to to to care. Um, let me show you what else I can show you here. Um, yeah, here's like a 97 uh reply run just building out this website. Uh, and that's all MCP, right? Like that's that's like a um give the agents uh an ability to check a source of truth somewhere. I think that's good. Um I do think that MCP has more potential than that where um you know the if you look at the MCP spec um by the way the David the MCP creator is going to come join us in London as well. What the [ __ ] is model context call.io. There we go. Um most people only use the um the let's call it the the the tools or

resources side but actually MCP can also also do um uh elicitation and sampling and roots. These are all like the advanced features of MCP that turn MCP into a much more agentic protocol. And actually this is the whole reason why I never really supported agent to agent from Google in the first place because MCP is already an agent to agent protocol with elicitation and just people don't understand and Google just wanted to put their stamp on the world but it it clearly didn't succeed. Um so yeah that's my MCP rant. Kevin says does cloud initiate the feedback to skill sessions when it's done with a task? No. Um, maybe if I tell it to, it does. Uh, but right now it's every time I tell it to update skill. Yeah, maybe cuz like I know when I've added new information through my interactions with quad. Um, and so now now it's updated all these skills again. You know, it's buggy in a sense that like I wish I want to see the skill that

I worked on, but now it's like refusing to open it. So I got to go find it somewhere. It has no file access for me, so I can't uh I guess it's here. Yeah, there we go. But like, yeah, it's kind of, you know, that's that's the skill. I don't know if it's right. I don't care. Open and anti-gravity. What the [ __ ] is that? Get it out of here. Oh my god. Yeah, it's just very it's it's still a bit sloppy, you know. Um so so it's like writing a bunch of skills and stuff and like uh yeah I gave it access to my downloads folder which is probably wrong. You should probably want a separate folder where it uh so all cloud co-work things are scoped to a specific folder and uh I think you should keep doing that. Okay. Um that's it for me. I don't want to take over. I I actually don't have I I do have to leave. Uh yeah. Uh but you know doing my part. AI in action. This is AI in action. This is uh I'm genuinely

excited and using this not only using this like 200 people here are all all signing up as a as a company plan using this thing. So I don't know you know what other proof you need but that's about it. >> I'll say that I also am an avid uh co-work user from uh uh off the rip. I don't think I've I haven't uh I don't spend as much time with it as you I sort of just use it like uh brow, you know, I'll use the browser to do browsery things, but I also have browser use on my cloud code. So, I don't have a lot of differentiation with it. It's just like comfy to like go hop in there and like yell at it to do stuff and have it >> Yeah. So, >> yeah. Yeah. Uh here here I have it. Sign up for PG&E. Um so here I have it coding. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um so yeah. Yeah. To totally like I think just set a res like buy the thing for one month. Set a resolution every single day. Do something with a coworker

and uh you might be surprised at the results. Uh Kevin says is educator AIE education is still happening. Um, it is with Ben, my co-founder, uh, who's more passionate about it than I am. And, uh, as far as I understand, no. Um, that's the simple answer. It's just a matter of resources and prioritization. Um, but, um, you know, with like Stefania, I think, is super interested. It's just that me and Ben are too busy. So, someone else should do it and we'll obviously support you, but uh, we we cannot lead it. Okay. Uh, I got to go. Well, can I hand this off to somebody or do do people want to call it there? >> Uh, if you need to hand it, I can I can uh I don't know take point on whatever. Um, but yeah, if you got if you got to drop all uh the uh >> Okay, bye guys. >> Work. >> Thanks. >> Happy February and thank you for being part of the inspace. Uh we're three

years in, five years in. >> Congratulations everybody. We we made it. >> We made it. >> It's here. timelines are all good. >> AGI is here. >> AGI is here, baby. >> Just keep redefining AGI until you've got it. >> There you go. Um, >> sounds like the way that Claude does tests. >> You like the way that Claude does what now? >> He He's saying we're going to keep redefining AI the way that Claude keeps redefining tests until it passes. >> Right. Right. Right. No, we got it. Um, let me plug in my headphones here so I sound a little less underwater. But um this is a little voter guide that I made thing um just because um I was like pretty concerned about the um about the uh the uh the war claw issue thing that Daario ended up standing his ground on. So I was pretty stoked to hear that. But I was like I want to make this thing because nobody ever calls their senator. So I'm just going to make one of these.

And I probably could tell it to like host it somewhere, but I just like linked it to people and it was like, "Hey, like you should call your senator and tell them that you don't want war claw because that's not great." Um, despite everybody, every other company being totally fine with Warclaw related things. But, um, uh, but yes. Yeah, let me find my headphones. But, uh, yeah, the I have a bunch of stuff in my co-work. Let me see if there's anything of interest. Um I guess does anybody have any thoughts on like do you want to should we try to have it do something? Is there any uh I don't know test activity that that sounds interesting to anybody?

Make billion dollars. Make no mistakes. Okay. Well, I can't find my headphones, so I'll just turn off the fans and hopefully that'll help. Okay. Uh, do what? didn't make no mistakes. Oh, I should Is there a chat? I should probably pull that up. >> I'm just I'm I'm just jo Can you hear me? Yeah. I'm just joking that like make1 billion dollars and make no mistakes. >> Okay, let me check uh and make sure I'm not going to leak. >> Okay. Um let's see what's like an interesting one. I I still didn't fully understand where the skills are actually being saved. Uh can does anybody know that or could we create a skill and ask

where where it is? I know that he demoed some of that but I didn't fully follow. >> Um well mine created a or did it create a skill? Let me see. Let's see. Guided onboarding. Okay. So this was for I forget why it made this or maybe this just generated. I'm not sure. But um if you uh so Swix mentioned that you can have it work in a folder which so if I do okay I already had something um let me see I've got a I've got like cloud co-working and then you just kind of direct it where to put the artifacts and it will um so let's see uh inventories my tabs in Chrome come into Atlas. Uh let's see. Do I have Let me get Whisper Flow up here.

Uh or actually let's not do a script. Let's say can you check open browsers inventory all the tabs in Chrome and chat GPT atlas. Um then in the Obsidian folder theobsidian folder in my home folder there's a clippings subfolder. Can you cross reference the links that you find in the list of all the open tabs? And then for any links that look like an article that are not present in that clippings folder, um can you use the browser extension um to create a clippings article of that article? You'll you may need to reopen the tab in your own browser. um keep

track of all of the tabs that you do this with and then we'll want to have you close those tabs in their respective browsers when you're finished. Okay, I don't know if this is going to work, but we'll see. Connectors. Okay, we've got cloud and chrome. We've got control Mac. Let's go. I probably should put this on Sonic because it's going to be a ton of text. But oh, give me two seconds here and make sure that I'm not going to leak even more things because that sounds like it'll be great. Where is my Oops. Close that. And then

we will reshare back to desktop. Let's go to the Let me get rid of this. Let's do that. Let's do Now let's reshare desktop one. Okay. So currently it is going into Atlas I believe. Oh, it may be because it's trying to do it in Atlas. Well, so it's looking for things, but not quite agied as much. I imagine it'll probably need some skills to do this. Like, I'll have to like teach it how it's done. Um, but that is the good news as to when it figures it out. It's already in that cla co-working folder. So what I can do is say make a new

directory for uh browser tabs work and then leave all the skills and artifacts and stuff in there and the lists of the whatever. It's I believe it has opened another new tab page. It is on my actual map. Yes. Good job. All right. So, you'll notice it did OSA script with the control my Mac, I believe. Sure. Yeah. And then, yeah. So, I can do the connectors. I can look at the tool calls. Okay. Cool. Cool. Cool. And then we have quad in Chrome which uh is failing. Yeah, I believe it's because I don't have the quad in

Chrome extension installed in uh Atlas and it's deciding to use Atlas. Uh, if you need a browser, I think you need to use Chrome because you're trying to open Atlas and that doesn't have the extension and stuff. And you can kind of just like tell it stuff while it's going. Here's an example of doing that. And then I could cue that up if I wanted to. and then next uh task break it gets it'll it'll take that one in and and do stuff. uh make sure that uh when you are saving artifacts you create a new directory in the cloud co-working folder called browser tabs and then when you're creating artifacts I think uh I think we should do them all in markdown

I'm surprised that this is working while I'm Zoom screen sharing. But yeah, uh I also cannot see chat right now. So if there are if there is stuff in chat, I don't know why it like decides to hide that. Feel free to relay it if people are saying so. >> We're just vibing right now. >> We're just vibing. Cool. >> Yes, sir. >> 16 windows. Yes. I uh I hoard a lot of my tabs. So, this is actually long overdue, but uh find the Obsidian clippings folder. So, you you'll notice that it couldn't find Obsidian first because it's on my actual Mac, not in my mounted workspace. I believe it can mount stuff from my Mac into its workspace. But this is the this is what Swix was talking about with um sandboxing that actually works. So this starts in its own container, but I think it can mount stuff up. Um if it can't, then it'll need to figure that out. I just I can't see that. Um

I can't see a good reason. I use it and I've been using it and playing around with it. I'm pretty impressed. I think they must be discounting tokens at the moment to try and get more people to use it. But I can't see the case for using this over using Claude code still. It just feels like it's got this awkward target audience at the moment. And I think people >> I I'm I'm in agreement with you on that. Basically like co-working and code is not that strong. like co-work ha I think it's geared I think it's like to try and onboard people towards quad code if they don't use quad code but it's also not because like I can swap over to code and have all the same connectors um having this stuff on the side is kind of nice um but I but I believe I get I still get something like that if I switch over the code I don't want to switch because I don't want to interrupt something but oh there's chat But yeah, with the with the browser use thing, I'm pretty sure that open claw has a more interesting

um I know that people like to poo poo open claw because of the security reasons, but I'm pretty sure it uses a similar Chrome DevTools theme. Maybe it's new and to me that's actually better and there's more extensibility with that. >> Yeah, Brad, you uh funny enough, Brad, I came across one of your YouTube videos randomly. It got recommended to me like yesterday, day before. Uh, which is cool. Um, but you should do a demo if if OpenClaw has something like just as good. You should do a demo cuz I I do use uh OpenClaw and if I didn't know they had a browser use uh thing. >> I I'm just like what I am doing with this is like 1/100th of what David presented last week. So I don't really want to I'm still learning it myself. I think the target audience for co-work is for non-developers though, right? Which Open Claw has gotten picked up by a lot of non-developers and I think that's a disaster that is going to >> screw many many people. Um you know and

Anthropic is trying to be more sandboxed and secure and and careful in a lot of ways. Um, >> this is an actual good sandbox, too, because most of the sand like I don't know if anybody's ran into the codeex sandbox before, but like that thing I just immediately turn it off all the time because it does nothing. Um, and except like ruin everything. But this one is like uh okay, like I have a little container. I am aware that I'm going to need to mount things into it. Um, I don't know because presumably it won't be able to use any of my fancy environment or CLI or any of that stuff. Um, but if Co-work is targeting people who probably don't have stuff like that, then presumably that's kind of what they're that's that's that's a reason that's a a decent default so that it's not getting interrupted by whatever. This is a 20k line Python single FL. What are you doing? open. What is this madness? Okay.

>> Has anybody set up Nano Claw? Like I just had this one question because I I helped teach a workshop here where I live and I'm on the fence because a lot of people are saying, "Why can't we just use Claude Co-work?" And I say, "If it does what you want it to do, use Claude Co-work." But on the other hand, I feel like it abstracts away a lot of the important stuff. So even if people are non-technical, I think there's some benefit to maybe learning how to set up your own sandboxed um open claw and I set up nano claw yesterday and it seems to strip away a lot of the complexity. Um has anybody else tried this yet? Um I am currently set well I am using nano claw as inspiration and like another a number of other minimal open claw versions to take pi agent I think I'm using pi agent rust um and like make a a small version so like kind of yeah uh I have that binary deployed on a server somewhere

But I I didn't strictly open the um the nano cloth thing. I have like there's like I think maybe I had to cure it. I actually do. Yeah. I wonder if there's Well, let's see if I can switch this over here or not. Um Okay. Yeah. Yeah. By Yeah. So, I I gave it a bunch of extra um stuff to look at. It's like, "Oh, yeah. Here's Spy Agent, Moclaw, all that all that stuff. Compare these guys and and figure out which one's the best one." Kind of thing. We're getting What are you doing, Elvis? Uh, you okay, bro? That's a 30k single file of Python. Just checking. go off thing if that's what you

wanted to circuit break if you need it. So that's going to cue. It's not going to circuit break, but I'm going to I'm going to let him cook. Once he hits 30k, then I'm I'm hitting stop, though. Okay. No, I'm just going to hit stop. Uh, let's see. Uh, do you need a file that big? Oh son progress.

Okay. Yeah. I don't know what he was doing. Funny. Funny. So, yeah, it's not quite AGI as you can tell, but um using Nanobot. Yeah. Yeah. Nano Claw only works with Claude. Um Nano Claw Nano Claw MVP, but WhatsApp is blocking it. Yeah, there's like there's like 70 different nano claws out there. Hundreds of tabs, baby. There we go. Crossruff.pie. I believe in you. You can do it. >> One more. Sorry, I've been yapping a lot here, but >> one more one more thought is just I don't have a strong opinion about this, but basically this the example that Swix

gave um it's definitely overkill, right? Like you're burning tokens to get it to use the browser to upload a video to YouTube when you could use the YouTube API. I don't know if I have a strong opinion about that considering the price of intelligence is is going to zero, but does anybody else You guys are like experienced engineers. Do you have any feelings about this? >> I think you're I think you're on the right track of intelligence is going to zero. I I think at the moment they're willing they want you to burn more tokens, right? um would be my thought just because that or rather if I it doesn't necessarily matter that much to them if you are burning extra tokens as long as it is making the product more useful for you because they know that you know next model or if they shift the default over to to sonnet instead of opus or what have you um then the thing that they want to do is saturate the

market right now so they don't like uh care that much. So I I think you're kind of on the right track of thinking like okay well cost is going to go down so like they you know currently it is a very inefficient way to spend tokens as you can tell from me burning 50k right now. But I wonder if we're like 12 months, 24 months away from it, just knowing that the more efficient way to do that job would be to go and find your your credentials and and create the the YT pi script or whatever to to do the job that way. I don't know. I do think that's very much an engineering mindset because my default is still I would rather build a tool to do the thing than like have an agent do the thing for me. That's just like my default. But but I don't think most most normal people are not thinking that way. Um you just know that that there's a a model or an agent that has the capability of creating this thing for you and you can kind of like work through all the technical uh um

hurdles that it may run into to like get the job done. Like most people might get to the first hurdle and like like they're not installing Docker like Buddy just said up above, but like you know getting past that hurdle for like a technical person is very easy, but for like nontechnical people, they're just they're just not going that far. I I sat in the OpenCloud Discord um for like the first couple days that it was starting to go viral and and many people drew the line at CLI like they were not leaving the IDE like anything outside of VS Code, it wasn't happening like they're just not interested in going that far. So yeah, I just think you know different targets and and and people's um not litmus test their their taste for you know difficulty super low. So yeah >> well I switched him to switched him to sonnet and now he's saying he's not going to write a giant Python file. We will see. Oh, I lost my uh I lost my Oh, it's up

here. Use remote control from the desktop web cloud code. I have not. I've not max dooobr really into claw over chatbt. I've been considering dropping uh Claude for chat GBD. I do I I want pro like Codex Desktop is a very good app that I like a lot. And yeah, like I for me it it feels like 20 bucks a month worth of Opus is probably got like it's probably a better habit for me to build than just like dumping, you know, 200k tokens in an afternoon into this gigantic model. Because I could probably I could probably get this done with Kimmy would be my guess. What are you running, you little goober? Show me. Can I see you? Oh, I guess I can't.

Evan, do you find yourself trying to hit the limits on purpose with the uh $200 a month? Is that why? >> I'm guessing I'm guessing hitting the limits. And I'm also guessing that Claude during peak hours sucks and is dumb because they quantifies the quantifies it to death basically, which is probably why it's doing this. But those are my those are my guesses on your on your sleep issue. Mine is I need a new bed. But the uh >> I've been driving I've been driving the OpenAI $200 plan pretty hard since October and I've never once hit a usage limit. >> Yeah. >> Um so I use $20 a month Claude for taste and judgment calls and usability and then I do all my implementation in codeex. Uh I'm using the poor person's version of

that plan by using amp code to get like >> love it. Got to get in build crew so you get 20 bucks a day instead of 10. It's lit. Need a lucid dreaming MCB. True. I want a BCI like really bad actually now. Like I'm I'm very BCI build at this point. It's because I have my kind of trashy pendant and kind of trashy uh smart glasses that like don't work. Oh, I I forgot to say I forgot. Okay, sorry. Um forgot to mention archive links use the Alterero extension rather than the Obsidian web. papers going

articles. Let's see. I'm going to have so many freaking papers. It's going to be glorious. Oh, look at that. He's got a clippings list. Glorious. Well, that clippings list itself will be helpful. Used to go to sleep on my $100. There have been times when I'm just like holding down the voice button and like not looking at my screen and just sort of like rambling to the quad machine to have it do stuff while I'm like falling asleep or my while my sleeping meds are kicking in or whatever. How do you only get seven papers, my dude? I think you're missing some is my

guess. Either that or I've been very meticulous about collecting and closing those. Good job. >> Well, before we close out here because we're almost to the end of the hour, Rob Winkle said in the chat, "Anyone use the remote control uh from desktop/web cloud code? My business plan was blocked." Um, and I asked him if it was something where you can like, you know, let's say you're using cloud code on your home machine and then you're out and about and you can use it on your phone or your laptop. And uh, Bite Probe sent a link and I think that's what it is. I want to see more demos of stuff like that. I I actually um have been playing around with this but on the codec side and I love it. Like being able to walk away from the machine and still like you know tap in via phone and say like you know keep running this process or make a couple decisions and keep the project going is really really cool. So I think that would be cool to see de demos more demos of that. >> Also I just I just noticed this thing which w which now here in the desktop app they have uh human interface for the MCP stuff. We got prompts and resources sitting right there. It's kind of cool.

>> Yeah, if you just go to the code tab, you should have that. You might have that option. Okay, hold on second. Yeah, I've heard the remote control for Cloud is pretty rough initial release. Um, I haven't tried it myself, but yeah, it would be great to be able to do that handoff because I'm always using Termius and it's a little annoying. Yeah, O OpenC kind of like inspired a lot of people to make their own rendition of this, but but I've been using it in Telegram and some people use Discord like um I forgot his name, but he he just left he demoed it last week or the week before, but I've been using um Telegram to talk to Codex while I'm gone and it just it's restricted to a certain folder or whatever, so you kind of have to set it up before you leave the house. But um yeah, it's it's just been really cool being able to, you know, control that stuff remotely. Um, so yeah, but I did I did also hear that

that the claude code remote thing was was uh you know, not not not in great condition initially. So anyways, um yeah, David David, that's you Dave. He did the demo last week. Um so anyways, anyways, I think we probably we're coming up like right on the hour if uh you want to wrap it up. Yikes. >> Yeah. Um well, he's cooking. He has found a good chunk of papers, which is good. Um, and uh, yeah, I guess I'll I can I can let y'all know about the aftermath uh, after I after we or after this finishes. It's probably going to need to cook for a while. Um, but yeah, if anybody has do we have somebody signed up for next week? Does anybody have any thoughts on what they're playing with, what they want to see, what they're messing around with? >> I I think the next two weeks there's somebody signed up. If I'm not mistaken, uh, someone signed up yesterday and I think it was Brad if I'm not mistaken or that might have been today. And then, uh, >> yeah, I think next week I I'm presenting

something. >> That's right. >> Cool. This was awesome. I tried out co-work. I'm like, I'm a normie now. >> Yeah. Someone used to stay in the stay in the chat for five hours in the in the Zoom. So we can burn through sixes tokens. >> True. >> All right. Thanks guys. See you everybody. We will catch y'all next week.